tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12959942.post115314873756097404..comments2023-07-08T09:08:14.478-04:00Comments on Divinity is in the Details: The Jewish Denominations and Ethical HotelsZThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00389399563327644386noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12959942.post-1153337040469011482006-07-19T15:24:00.000-04:002006-07-19T15:24:00.000-04:00Yes, these are the kinds of statements of unifying...Yes, these are the kinds of statements of unifying moral purpose I was thinking of. Thanks, brother, for the clarification.Arihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07457319313419028754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12959942.post-1153318681496038722006-07-19T10:18:00.000-04:002006-07-19T10:18:00.000-04:00"Doesn't justice come from the pursuit of truth an..."Doesn't justice come from the pursuit of truth and reconciliation?"<BR/>brother ari, i can always count on you for a healthy reminder that where there are humans there are people created btzelem eloheim and that respect should always take the day. <BR/>My fear is that when workers aren't organized they are often manipulated by managers in minor ways that aren't significant enough to trigger a significant response at any point, small wage cuts, shift changes, benefit cuts, etc. It is a bit like the frog who will cook if the water is cool and you heat it up slowly. as workers we will often jump out of a scalding workplace but if the changes are subtle and slow it is hard. That is one of the many reasons i think everyone in a company should have a workers organization of some sort, to watch the temparature are make sure it doesn't go up a few degrees at a time. <BR/><BR/>i think you can support specific norms without necessarily taking sides. <BR/>if the editorial said something like<BR/>*we think workers should have the right to organize without forced meetings by managment and without other sorts of interferance.<BR/>*we will not use hotels which do not pay a living wage.<BR/>*we will not use hotels where workers don't get maple sick time and at least ten days of paid vacation annually.<BR/>*we will not use hotels where workers are brought from oversees and threatened with deportation. <BR/>*we will use hotels where workers are treated fairly, with respect, and in ways that enable them to feed their families. <BR/><BR/>that sort of statement would have won me over. as is, it seems like they said some vague, pleasant things which started down the right road but jumped off it before they made the right points. <BR/><BR/>Your point though ari, is well taken. in a world so partisan we can often lose track, i can often lose track, of the ways in which we can work better for a more just future.ZThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00389399563327644386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12959942.post-1153161330334521212006-07-17T14:35:00.000-04:002006-07-17T14:35:00.000-04:00Brother Zach, Thanks as always for the beautiful p...Brother Zach, <BR/>Thanks as always for the beautiful posts. It does not necessarily seem like the editorial is wimping out. They are emphasizing that their focus is on the relationship between labor and management. Their point is that supporting this institution isn't about one party against the other, but about the two parties working together and treating eachother fairly. Doesn't justice come from the pursuit of truth and reconciliation?<BR/><BR/>The statement is, however, rather vague about what "fair, constructive, and sensitive treatment" means, and what their values are concerning the rights of workers. I think they have a responsbilitiy to state those values and positions more firmly and clearly. I have no issue with them refusing to take sides in the interest of reconciliation, but they should really be more explicit in terms of what they consider a just partnership, what is, "fair, constructive, and sensitive treatment." <BR/><BR/>I must close with a caveat that I do not have any experience with labor negotiations, so I must phrase my entire comment in the form of a question to you, Zach. Based on your experience, do you think that it is possible to clearly stake a moral ground on worker's rights without "taking sides," to affirm what that moral ground is and to affirm that both unions and management have a responsibility to pursue it together?Arihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07457319313419028754noreply@blogger.com